my instant answer was going to 'not for years' but I had a hunt around and sure enough, behind a cupboard and contributing little to anyone's quality of life... and old D-Link router, formerly re-purposed as as a switch STILL PLUGGED INTO THE MAINS!
the little b*******
I've tried now with it on and with it off and it seems that was the source of the trouble
I'll keep an eye on things and let you know if I have any more problems
thanks
8800AXL R2 - Wifi Devices Don't see the internet
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